understand what is law and what is rule of law? why should he meant to deal with each other in this way? -- humans deal with each other in this way? they know they cannot be influenced. in my family, when i was fighting with my parents, i could not win because they were my parents. what kind of steps will you allow ordinary people to understand the rule of law? why do we need a rule of law? >> keep doing what you are doing. keep doing it. sandra o'connor, one of my colleagues, feels very strongly about the fact that teenagers and high-school students are not learning civics. they do not know how the government of the united states works. she's been a lot of for time trying to develop programs on computers, television, that you can send into the classrooms. none of us thinks the rule of law is the american system in its entirety. we think the fact that people will apply and follow a rule of law is one thing that we think -- i think -- and is a national treasure. it is a treasure that has developed over many, many, many years with ma